Budget 2008; the diagnosis

by Money Doctor Thursday 13 March, 2008

Is it that time of year again?

Yet again, the staff here at the Money Hospital gathered in the lounge to watch coverage of this year's budget. Everyone fought for prime position on the sofa in front of our useless excuse of a TV to see what we can look forward to in this new financial year.

The name on everyone's lips today was Alistair Darling, the new Chancellor. However, it appears there was not much in the way of sweet nothings being muttered by this particular Darling (and is it us, or does he look a lot like Mr Bean?)

As many of you expected, there were very few surprises in the 2008 Budget and some opinions are already calling it a "hangover budget". But is that true?

Here then are the key points:

FAGS AND BEER

  • Cigarettes up 11p on a packet of 20; five cigars up 4p
  • Beer up by 4p a pint, wine 14p a bottle, spirits 55p a bottle and cider 3p a litre by Sunday (That will tackle the pandemic of binge drinking won't it?)
CARS, FUEL AND ROAD PRICING
  • From 2009, there will be a major reform of the vehicle excise duty. For new cars from 2010, the lowest-polluting cars will pay no road tax in the first year.
  • £950 higher first year rate of road tax for most polluting cars (although if you are spending £35k on a Chelsea tractor then you can probably afford it)
  • 2p increase in fuel duty is postponed until October this year.
HOUSING
  • From April, key workers, such as teachers and nurses, will be able to borrow money from shared equity schemes.
  • Stamp duty on shared ownership homes will not be required until buyers own 80% of equity (sounds as if the Govt is encouraging people to reduce their living space with delayed tax incentives. Maybe they hope it will prolong their crucial housing boom?)
  • More people should have the chance to have a long-term fixed rate mortgage, which a report shows can reduce the risks for first-time buyers and can keep them on the housing ladder (Sounds like Govt speak for "We will try to force banks to offer lower priced mortgages. We don't know if any of them will like the idea or whether they'll just use it to charge a higher rate over the life of the loan, but it sounds good")
  • Sites for 70,000 more houses have been identified (they are just not sure who is going to build or buy them!)
  • Council tax bills will rise by an average 3.9% from April (this had already been announced)
PENSIONERS
  • Winter fuel allowance will go up from £200 to £250 for the over 60s and from £300 to £400 for the over 80s (now that is some good news)
BENEFITS
  • From October 2009, rules for housing and council tax benefit will mean families on benefit are better off in work
  • The planned increase in child benefit to £20/week will come into effect from April 2008; as well as the child element of Child Tax Credit rising by £50 a year. These increases have been introduced to try and halve child poverty by 2010.
  • From April 2010, all long-term recipients of incapacity benefit will attend work capacity programmes (haven't the Govt tried this sort of thing before?)
SAVINGS
  • The government will launch the "savings gateway" nationally with the first accounts available by 2010.
  • The Cash ISA limit will rise in April to £3,600 from £3,000 (still could be better though)
THE ENVIRONMENT
  • Laws will be introduced by 2009 to tax plastic bags if shops do not do more to charge for their use. There is a threat to introduce legislation to charge for plastic bags unless companies reduce the number of plastic bags in circulation voluntarily, with the charge passed on to 'green' charities and initiatives (because plastic bags are evil and solely responsible for climate change aren't they?)
  • £26 million fund will be introduced to help homeowners reduce their emissions and power bills
  • New non-domestic buildings to become zero-carbon from 2019
  • Consideration is being given to raising the UK target for emissions cuts to 80% by 2050 (i.e. they are thinking about doing something about the pollution)
EDUCATION
  • There will be £200 million extra for schools to raise GCSE results. By 2011, every school "will be an improving school"
  • £10 million committed to improving science teaching (how about teaching finance skills too?)
POVERTY
  • Child poverty must be eradicated in Britain; total of 600,000 fewer children in relative poverty and 150,000 fewer children in absolute poverty (definately a step in the right direction)
  • £17 more a week for poor families with one child.
  • A family with two children earning up to £28,000 a year will be £130 a year better off. A further £125m to be spent over the next three years to help families.
BUSINESS
  • £60 million over three years for equipping people to return to the workplace.
  • Corporation tax will fall from 30% to 28% by April this year, with simpler taxes for small companies.
All in all, there were few impressed faces amongst us all after we heard all of this, probably because many experts had already predicted most of the proposals Darling delivered today!

George Osborne, the Shadow Chancellor, called it "a bad news Budget which kicks Britain's families when they're down".

Meanwhile, David Cameron, the Conservative Leader said:

"People watching this Budget will conclude that the Chancellor and the Prime Minister live in an entirely different world from everyone else."
Impartial money site Fool.co.uk commented on the budget and David Kuo, their Head of Personal Finance said:

"We are disappointed that Chancellor Darling has done nothing in today's Budget to encourage British households to ride out an impending recession through saving.

"Failing to increase ISA allowances further is a poke in the eye of savers who need encouragement to put away money. Increasing ISA allowances by 3% after nine years is not good enough.

"Currently, our savings ratio stands at 2% compared to 8% historically. Or to put it another way, we are only saving £1 out of every £50 that we earn. So, a typical family with a combined income of £50,000 is only putting away £1,000 a year for a rainy day.

"However, just because the Budget has ignored savings doesn't mean that we should too. Fool.co.uk therefore urges homeowners to revisit their household budgets and make cut backs without delay. Any savings should also be parked in ISAs to take advantage of the tax breaks.

"Unlike the Chancellor, who is putting up umbrellas in the face of a hurricane, households need to batten down the hatches for a rainy day."

So, are you happy with Alistair Darling's first budget or has it left you feeling even more uncertain about your finances?

Why not let us know in the comments below?

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sharry says:

Thursday 13 March, 2008 / 14:03

'Hangover Tax'??? Do they really think adding a few pence to the price of booze is really going to cut binge drinking? IDIOTS! It's nothing to do with financial restrictions and everything to do with the nations attitude towards drink.... a very unhealthy one. All this tax does is earn extra money for the government to fritter away and line their own pockets with!!! (a la Derek Conway).

Again the motorist gets hammered... when will they realise that if they are going to get us out of our cars we need to have a GOOD, CLEAN, EFFICIENT, RELIABLE alternative. I work in a rural area 18 miles away from where I live, my husband works 50 MOTORWAY miles away. How do I to get to work with NO public transport (rural service canceled) and for my husband it's a 3 HOUR public transport journey. It involves 3 buses and 2 trains and that's if they're on time or better yet actually running!!! It's 1 hour driving. Even so it's still cheaper to drive. Madness. I don't know anyone who would be willing to spend almost the equivalent of a working week on public transport, do you?

I recycle, turn my thermostat down, don't leave appliances on standby, use energy saving bulbs,buy local, rarely fly abroad, grow my own veg etc, etc like many other people. I try to be ecologically responsible BUT I need a car. If I can't get to work, I don't get paid, I don't pay my taxes and don't buy things that keep the economy running. What would happen then? There is a definite line between a necessity and a luxury, and for most people theres no choice. It's another way of screwing more money out of you... God forbid you actually aspire to anything as government will soon ensure you never achieve more than a proletariat existence.

Ban the plastic bag altogether. Give people a months notice to organise an alternative and then stop giving them! SIMPLE. The plastic bag manufacturers can make recycled products and maybe even do something that benefits the environment.

What is the deal with child support?? How do we justify giving middle class families money when there are kids who are homeless or on the poverty line? I don't have kids and it irritates me when I see my hard earned money going to pay for a new hairdo of some stay at home, middle class 'Mum'. I want to see this money go to people who NEED it, you don't need to tax more just use what you have more effectively.

I could rant for hours, but it will make no difference. I could vote but which one do I vote for? In the end they're all the same.

Tracey says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 12:03

I am 28 years old, have worked from the age of 17, own my own house and am working hard to support it. All I see is that people like me and all other normal working people are being stitched up. We would all be better off selling up, giving up work and getting a council house, supported by the state!

Should the government not be looking at supporting the British before implementing laws etc to allow so many other nationalities into an already sinking country.

Now we all understand why so many thousands of British people are emigrating for a better life!!!!!!!

Nicola says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 13:03

The Budget was nothing I hadn't expected, he hit hardest the drivers, again, I and my daughter are disabled our car is owned by motability, the rising fuel costs are hitting us hard, my husband has a tiny corsa he works as an ITU nurse, work wasnt available in our area so he works further afield, meaning his 12 hour shift turns into a 16 hr day. I cannot for love nor money get the local council to help fund a carer for me, yet we cant afford for hubby to even reduce his hours, our mortgage is high as is fuel bills energy bills food bills and school bills, by that I mean the 2 quid here and there almost daily!!!!

For a change David Cameron is right they do live in a different world especially it seems as they have 22k to furnish their second homes, but to say it was affordable to drink is madness, its not and tackling binge drinking by upping booze a few pence isnt going to cut it, knocking on the head the 24hr pub and clubs, and fining those that serve clearly intoxicated people. Allowing the NHS to charge people who have fallen over, got in fight etc because of drink and charging for pathetic 999 calls that hold up ambulances needlessly.

God I could go on for hours but this country has its priorities wrong the bin collections is a pet hate of mine, its all about lining the pockets of the greedy and taking from the mouths of the poor. We are too scared to discipline our children as they should and respect has gone out of the window. Its about time we went back a generation or two and learnt from those that knew best.

Sarah says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 15:03

We are leaving the country in a few weeks! We live in a rural area and need not only a car, but a 4 wheel drive as the roads around us are not gritted in the winter, so we pay more and more (there is of course no public transport). We are hard working but are fed up of the benefit culture as well. So we are going, I wonder who will pay for aall the benefits when all the workers have left?

Colin J says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 15:03

Yet another slap in the face from these labour clowns! Road Tax and Fuel rises, the motorist always suffers. Has the government not yet realised that the main problem of polution is due to the fact our roads are over run with buses which no one seems to use!

Time for change, David Cameron, stand up be counted and bring back thatcher ethics which rewarded people for being successful and not benefit wasters who are hell bent on never working and are happy for the working class to pay for this luxury they have

Living and working abroad has never been so appealing. Will the the brit that leaves this country remember to turn out the lights

Celia says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 15:03

I would just like to reiterate what Sharry (1st comment) had expressed, as I could not have worded it any better!! I don't believe the priorities of the Government are at all in line with what the country really needs.

Britons emigrate not because of more immigrants, but because the grass IS greener on the other side!

Geoff says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 16:03

Why doesent the government wake up to reality or is it the socialist dogma that prevents this as they want to take control of our lives and welfare so that we become dependent on them.

An alternative to the car tax is slap 20p a litre of all fuels and scrap road tax, the more fuel you use the more you pay and this would include all those who do not pay the road tax as well.

The money generated pays for the road and goes toward alternative fuels

Allen Rowland says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 16:03

I can only repeat what just about everyone is saying, and that is to get rid of this waste of space we laughingly call a government! They are so complacent it makes me sick.
Blair has taken away our identity and opened up this country like a can of beans.If we are so rich, why can't we do more for the people of this country instead of handing OUR money to people who have contributed nothing to our society?
No wonder the British are leaving so fast!

marktristan says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 16:03

sharry, I appreciate most of your points and I agree that neither ranting here nor voting for one party or the other might not make the big difference -- but what will is if you write to your MP (whichever party). Their job is to represent you. If they don't represent their constituents, they lose votes. Dialogue with your MP ultimately matters a lot more than votes - it is where democracy actually works. Go to TheyWorkForYou.com where you can find out your MP and how to get in touch.

Gavin says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 16:03

Just shows they are only interested in the vast majority of people or how they get to work. Yeah I know, you can keep screwing us we won?t say anything. We will just moan and accept it. Or will we?

dave says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 16:03

yes again the fat cats in goverment, ruled by a primeminister who was not voted for stitches up the working class yet again.well iv,e stopped drinking iv,e stopped smoking sorry i do still drive, i suppose labour would like me to give that up to. my answer to that is k... m. a... mr labour goverment.do they really think joe public is so stupid as not to realise that you can charge us what you want but the planet is not going to get greener.just the goverment and its fat lazy out of touch greedy politicians get fatter while us mugs get poorer.this goverment wont be happy till it has bled us all dry,so we earn just enough to survive, and yes we arent far off now.stop selling britain out and giving away everything we and our fore fathers fought for.get in touch with reality and look after our interests.is,nt that what you are over payed to do you hypocrites.my feelings run much deeper than this ive worked all my life and served in the armed forces on active service.got 15 years to go till retirement(poverty).this goverment makes me sick,remember people when you vote next I WILL.

Dionne says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 17:03

i agree with what every1!! and i dont think drivers should be punished when it isn't even our car emissions that is hurting this plant it has been proven that car pollution is not the highest poluter there is!! in fact its actually ur cows and pigs shit (methan)that is polluting this plant more than us!! its just the fact when someone wants a grant as long as they say that its for the research of the enviorment / pollution anything like that then the government will give them as much money as they need/want so basically we are paying people to research what has already been proven that its not actually us!! if people havn't ever heard about it then look it up because this is a fact!!!!!

roy roberts says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 17:03

Next election, lets get the BASTARDS out!They are not for the working class, taxing everyone where possible,letting more immigrants in, unchecked, no medical etc, and if you are Polish and you work in England, and your family is still in Poland we pay them family credit, and who pays for that , the taxpayers again!It beggars belief, and we have OAP living on the breadline. How does Gordon Brown sleep at night?

Tracy says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 17:03

I totally agree with the comments above. How much more are we going to take? If you work hard you are worse off. Yes, stop these immigrants coming into our country taking jobs, putting further strain on the NHS which of course they should not be entitled to as they have not paid into. And yes it makes me sick to think our hard earned money is sent abroad to pay child support for children who are not living here! I recently lost my mother to cancer - there were no beds for her and she was moved around an admissions ward for 2 weeks whilst she was dying. My poor father keeps getting his pension taxed and they keep checking that he doesn't have much in the way of savings and if he suddenly gets a rebate for overpaid council tax etc he get taxed for having too much in the bank. This country has become an absolute joke!!

Johnny says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 19:03

Wow, what a lot of venom ! Maybe,at last, people are waking up to what a mess the politicians have been making to our country. The budget hasn't made anything better, and in agreement with so many others, I see it has made things worse in certain areas. Alistair Darling lied in his appraisal of the British economy by using manufactured inflation figures, and furthermore he has given an unrealisticly rosy economic outlook, which every financial expert shows to be grossly optimistic.

Simon says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 19:03

I agree as it appears does everybofy else with what is fast becoming something of a rotten country. My grandfather was seriously ill and my grandmother in need of help both financially and pratically with his care when he was living through his final months. He worked all his life and paid into the country, things like National insurance and tax which only ever go in one dircetion, UP! when they needed help it never came. He died in pain and i blame the way this country is ran. If your not born a brit, or work like one, then your going to live life to the full! On us tax payers!!!!!!

lilly says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 20:03

I couldnt agree more with the comments above. I would just like to point out that I am a single mum of two, I own my own home and car and work and pay my taxes. During hard times I got no help from our double standards of a government! I went to college to retrain in a new career whilst working at the same time, everyone else on my course also single mums who lived in council houses on income support getting rent and council tax paid and got full funding for the course and money for equipment and books etc and.....they all had working fellas living with them on the side. They did nothing but moan about how hard done to they were by the government, didnt get enough money from the government.....I thought they were doing well considering its benefit fraud etc. I was so angry there was me working my ass off and college paying tax to keep these in houses fags and ale!!

Yet, the government is now going to give them even more incentives in the form of extra housing and council tax benefits to get them back to work. I also disagree with the way the government pays their rent etc yet if you have a mortgage and ouldnt afford insurance on it then the government would sit and do sweet sod all and watch you and your kids get repossessed, the 40 week mortgage interest payment term should be brought into social housing too.....soon shift a few arses off benefits and into work. Now I know this dont apply to all and anyone can be down on their luck but this sort of bleeding the system should be stopped and the sooner the better. I had always thought of benefits as a short term temporary mesaure not a career, and if I can do it so can everyone else, there is no excuse as I am disabled and I have no support and do it all myself, its damn hard work but I have my pride!

This government makes me angry and never thought I would say this but I would have thatcher back anyday!!

Fi Dancer says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 20:03

How can anyone talk to you anonymously? Alternative is to be sacked!!!!!!!!

Sousou says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 22:03

Hi,

agree here with all of you, even though I am not british I have never been on benefit and worked hard all my life since I was 16, and I can only afford nowadays to work and go bed!!! 30 years old with a master degree in business, still paying off my student loan and struggling to find even a decent place to rent...So why am I in UK? Because I fell in Love with the way british people work: hard. I am from France where everyone is always on strike and complaining about everything...even if sometimes it's for the stake of something...But here what pisses me off is that the fat cats from the city, all of those brokers got their pockets full of money, they made life more expensive lending money in a messy way and who pays for that money they pocketed? We!!! I was stunned to see how easily one of my friend could get a loan of 350k just because the broker would take care of hidding her real income?! Madness which we all have to pay for now...

Darren Darley says:

Friday 14 March, 2008 / 23:03

well done a few pence on beer thats going to stop them drinking have any of these people ever been out on are streets to see the problems that drink cause. oh and because i can not afford a new car i will have to pay more on tax thanks makes me proud to be british. NOT.

Rampage Jack says:

Saturday 15 March, 2008 / 00:03

Lets not kid ourselves the Government doesn't carelaess bout binge drinkers and their health nor do they really care about the enviroment they use growing concerns about these issues to line their own pocket and spend (waste) it on other less important things! The NHS issue keeps popping up but anyone with any sense knows it doesn't need more funding the money needs to be spent wiser! If it was a private run organisation (And by no means am i saying it should be) it would have had it problems sorted along time ago but because it government funded it has a bottomless pit of money to sqaunder!

The whole immigration issue is another joke i relaise people in many other countries are a lot worse of than people of this but this doesn't mean we can save them all and it most certainly doesn't mean we need every able working man from Poland and other eastern block countries to work in England! I worked for a company bought out by a polish company within a couple of years the staff were ratio was 50/50 Poles to English then this year 12 people were made redundant 11 English and 1 token pole no doubt to stop a court case - This can not be right! If there are people to job shortages then fine but lets face it there isn't i know several skilled workers in the building trade spending their time in the job centre n sending CV's to employers etc looking for work yet our town centre was recently re done and most the worker there were poles! Doesn't make sense???

Driving mainly what people have said before - people can do without a car and therfore fuel so easy way to make money by taxing them if it was £5 a ltr i would still have to buy it which makes it soooooo unfair - yet i notice mp are leading bu example and using enviromently friendly cars are they - then again our taxes pay for their fuel anyway don't they!!!

Gordon Ego i want to loved Brown was never voted in and would lose no 10 if an election was held which is why he won't hold one until he has to!

Anyway just thought id get a few things of my chest gonna go on booze cruise tomorrow to stock up - no sorry just realised can't afford petrol money to dover! Doh!

DebbyG says:

Saturday 15 March, 2008 / 01:03

What is wrong with our Government...why dont they listen to the people who vote for them...they dont live in our world (the real world) they dont get affected...money money money...it's about time they dam well showed us some respect...after all...it's us that put them where they are !!!

tinkerbel says:

Saturday 15 March, 2008 / 02:03

Well not sure why they don't just take all our pay and chuck us a 50p for an hours work. We pay tax and NI b4 we get our pay then we cough up for Council tax, fuel tax, road tax, fag tax, booze tax, some food tax, then large amounts of money on elec, gas, and oil, which is also taxed.

What I'd like to know is who's getting fat of my money and what idiot who can't run a sweet shop is budgetting for ower contries needs, can he even count?

When I was on benifit I live ok,everything was pritty much paid for. when I got a job and had to pay all the bills myself i was struggling to have enough to fed myself, nothing to save and I was on above min wage! At time's I though why am I bothering? I ended up relying on a friend to feed me and evening meal. Didn't have a car then either and walked to work.

I am still working even though I want to quit badly as they are an evil company and are making my life a misery, Company's should be made to treat employees like humans not something they trod in, maybe a few more people would go back to work.

Don't mind people coming over to work, poeple say they are taking ower jobs but alot of brits are sitting on benifit doing nothing, People are taking advantage of them not knowing the law and paying the below n.m.w and off the books.

The goverment should cut the paper work for benifits and a few simple questions would do. They should do everything to help people back to work not hinder with red tape would save money and tree's also.

Maybe we should do something rather than put up with it, feel like going down to number 10 and tell him that he is the rotten apple in the basket, GET OUT!!!!!

Our great and grandparents won the first and second world war, didn't they? they wouldn't stand for this! We've become soft with central heating and air con! I'm sooo ashamed to be british right now.

Aiming to to become relient on nothing.

andrea says:

Saturday 15 March, 2008 / 10:03

a first time buyer who is having to buy through shared ownership in the south east, i think its good that stamp duty is now only payable on an 80% share. The fuel increase is a bummer as are the increas in council tax/ bills. I think they are living in a fantasy if they think that they a eradicate poverty by giving an extra £17! now thats a joke - that should just about pay the increase in bills! these people need to go an live poor for a while. Im sure it would change their slant on the 'budget'.

Alison says:

Saturday 15 March, 2008 / 11:03

I too have had enough and agree with everything said above. Myself and my hubby work damned hard. I work part time because I can't afford to pay childcare to work full-time and have to rely on family generousity and my hubby works full time. I also attend a part-time college course which I have to pay for while 80% of my fellow students get it for free! We own our own house, we have 2 cars (1 company car lucky enough but then we are taxed hard on it!) but we are struggling every month between high utility bills, council tax, higher mortgage as we've recently had to re-mortgage on higher rates and every month we are robbing peter to pay paul! I know a good friend of mine who gets a shedload of money of the social (gets much more in a month than I earn before tax!) hubby works self-employed and only has to declare profits, has a lovely council house with low rent and free rent over xmas! They can alos claim back all their childcare - WHY DO I BOTHER WORKING?!?!??!?!?!

Don't even get me started on petrol costs - I was on the picket lines back in 2000 when we stood up to the government and it worked - now petrol has gone back up to well over a pound a litre - 60% of that is tax, the petrol companies only earn about 4% profit on it (SHOCKING!) and we are just standing back and allowing it to happen!

We need to stand up to this government now - I would love to be able to afford a second house - maybe Mr Brown can give me #23,000 expenses to kit it out - I always wanted to spend #200 on a mixer (NOT!) and #1000 on a rug - if they want a job in London then tough shit - they can live in London. I work 30 miles away from my house we haven't got a choice we take the jobs when they come available.

AS for the NHS - if you haven't been working in this country and paying your dues for at least 5 years then you should pay for your medical expenses. And how the hell are we paying child credit for Polish families who aren't living in this country?

I could rant all day but I am shaking with anger just thinking about it - Gordon Brown needs to be kicked out, Tony Blair was a sleaze but this next one is just as bad - the only problem is there is no-one out there to take them on at the moment - what happened to all the Thatchers out there? We kicked her out over the poll tax scheme but looking back we have been shit on harder and harder - at least she was glad to be british!

Jane says:

Saturday 15 March, 2008 / 11:03

well where do we start, i know child benefir, does anyone expect that £20 for the first child is enough to feed and cloth tat child for £80 pr month?, so lets give them an extra £50 on tax credits, but also lets take it of them with council tax rise, rise in tax and road fund. What a waste of time this government is, i work full time am divorced with 2 children and have a new partner who lives with me, and i can tell you this by the time you pay all your bills and childcare, things are tight, dam right your better of not working but then that isnt something i would do. council tax is a rip of fortnightly bin collection, and then its not always collected, i think its about time this country actually looked at the american culture and took a leaf out of there book do you see them heading the way we are, no thats because we as a country keep bailing them out!!! put something back to the brits i say after all its british soldiers that are out there fighting for our bloody country, why cos bush out us there, get gordon brown out and david cameron in.

lee says:

Saturday 15 March, 2008 / 12:03

ok, lets look at it really, family allowance up, wow i get mine from the post office walk out of there in to the council house next door and pay it them straight back on my council tax, petrol up, fags up (glad i don,t smoke)bootleggers will love it the govt is playing straight into there hands,then there road tax what a joke, middle classes don,t care they can afford it, i cann,t, i work hard and have two kids, school meals are going up, school uniforms up, everything, gas,electric,look at the prisons they are bursting at the seams,imagine being a poor prison officer today, how about the police, nurses teachers all doing a great job and getting 1.9% pay rises then having it taken straight back of them in stealth taxes, how much more can labour squeeze us, they are so underhand its a joke.
sorry but enough is enough they have got to go, everyone told me the labour party were poor now i know, i will NEVER vote for them again,when the tories get in they will have to sort the mess out, labour have borrowed billions of pounds, some one as got to pay it back and thats me and you

judi says:

Saturday 15 March, 2008 / 17:03

I am a middle class professional who pays 40% tax and I am happy to pay my taxes when i believe they are used to underpin the values we traditionally hold in our country but over the last few years I do not believe this to be the case. For the first time I am planning & hoping to leave Britain for a POORER but better quality, more civilised life in the developing world where RESPECT is a fundamental value in their society. Taught by parents & society as a whole. Here perverse individual rights are paramount and personal responsibilities non existant.

lilly says:

Saturday 15 March, 2008 / 18:03

this is my second post here, being a worker as many of you are.... what can we do? we work to keep the spongers of this country, without the workers this country would be in an even bigger problem, as much as I hate to say this but maybe we should all quit our jobs and go and claim income support, child benefite and tax credits, sell our homes and let the council rehome us nad then claim housing and council tax benefit. knock a few more kids out and then claim the £500 maternity grant whilst getting your free milk tokens, for your other kids you can get money for school uniforms, help with bus fares to and from school and free school meals. then you have access to the community care grants for essential items and interest free budgeting loans!! plus all the free prescriptions, eye and dental care etc...........now I see where I went wrong.....I got off my arse and went to work, its too bloody easy for them........its handed on a plate, and the government wants to stop the culture they created. the social is the new career these days and the folks that live like this, that bleed the system dry have in a lot of cases never worked a day in their lives nd never paid a single penny in but get loads out of the system.

may be we should bring the chinese system of one child per family.. controversial I know but people are having kids and popping them out left right and center on benefits, nd the government rewards them with £500 mat grants and extra benefits, where as I work and I cant afford any more kids, I live with in my means, unless I jack it all in, and to be honest from what I have seen, they all have cars, flash new TV's, gold rings on every finger, never short of fags or booze and the latest designer clothes........so who really does get the better deal the tax paying worker or the state sponger???? make them get jobs, paid or unpaid I dont care just get them off their sponging backsides!

OK rant over..sorry guys and gals

Pacman says:

Saturday 15 March, 2008 / 18:03

Well said Lilly.
These scroungers make all hard working people like you and I sick to the stomach and yet successive governments have allowed this 'free handout' situation to continue virtually unchallenged for many years.
It's about time the people who govern this country started listening to the people who so kindly donate the cash in the first place via taxes and give it back to those who really need it, not just those who simply can't be bothered to get off their a**es.

james says:

Saturday 15 March, 2008 / 21:03

first thing that should be done is stop the goverment from geting any other money other than there wages and make the manage on it like we have to do gordon brown is on £130000.per year plus £140.000 for so called running costs so dose his is side kick darling and so are most of the otheres. they charge us 80 pence a liter tax to save the world from green house gas and then darling drives a few hundred yard in his car from downing steet to the house of commons to do us in is budget .the house of commons is fully floodlite that a good way to cut the green house gases .the points system they are bring in to control immigrants is another waste of our money it only stops the ones comming in from out side the eu whats the point of that. they have just spent £85.000.000 on doing up the euro tonnel they should have spent it by puting a check point half way down the chanle tunnel with two custom controls 2000 yards apart so that everyone as to get off one train and pass them. and the get on another one and this area would be a no.mans land so no.one could claim asylam befor they had been checkt out and it there fales they would be sent back they could also check the lorrys for anyone in the back. this way the could stop illegals from getting in and also stop drugs and guns just one other point what will the goverment do if every one gets fed up and gose on the dole because the carnt aford to get to work .my wage is £240 pere week and i am skilled and i have a family

Mike Cochrane says:

Sunday 16 March, 2008 / 22:03

I agree with a lot of what has been said here. I`m married with 3 children (one of whom is disabled), I work, and my wife is a house wife. We only run one car as thankfully I get a works van to get to work in. We get taxed more and more at every turn, what Labour give with one hand, they take away (with interest) with the other. They don`t even have any imagination anymore, fags, booze and petrol, as predictable as Michael Fish appearing on a list of greatest prediction blunders.
I have worked ever since I left school, apart from 6 months, which was after 2 redundancies, and that includes getting an injury operated on. My findings on the benefits system are that if you are Brittish and have paid into the system all your days, then you are least likely to get benefits. We should move to a system where you only get benefits in relation to what you have contributed, that would sort out immigration, slackers etc. and reward the good hard working Brittish citizen!
Onto the NHS, as my Mum is a retired nurse, and both my in-laws are retired doctors, could anyone please tell them why we have so many pen pushers in the NHS, and not enough doctors and nurses? There`s pen pushers creating jobs for pen pushers all over the place, hiring another bunch doesn`t cut waiting times. It only puts our taxes up for no reason, typical of the Blair/Brown years. Sorry, but I find Brown to be another Blair, and the budgets seem to head in the same predictable direction. I wonder what they will waste money on for the Olympics, after the fiasco that was the Millenium Dome. Now that was a pointless waste of money if ever there was one, and no, you don`t need to remind me about Hollyrood, although they do at least use that building, but it was still extravagant to say the least. And why can politicians smoke at work, but I can`t smoke in a fume filled workshop with grinding and welding going on?
Better stop the rant now or I`ll still be here writing it when Brown (Please) gets voted out.

J says:

Monday 17 March, 2008 / 11:03

what kind of government talks of taxing carrier bags in a budget. PRIMARY SCHOOL POLICTIC!!!! My mates 9 year old could be more imaginative.
no wonder this country is going to the dogs!

lenny says:

Monday 17 March, 2008 / 22:03

Hi
I am a new member of the oap,s and

William says:

Tuesday 18 March, 2008 / 06:03

Good rants.....

hila Patel says:

Tuesday 18 March, 2008 / 14:03

More serious emphasis should be paid to hard working families who leave their children with carers and stuggle to earn some money to meet their survival ends. saving should encouraged specially for those in ages between 20-35 so they can own thier own houses in future for the well being of likely chidren in the family. Iam worried whats going to happen in the next 10years

lee says:

Wednesday 19 March, 2008 / 21:03

i have read all the great comments by these people and we have gone of track,yes there are spongers out there who want everything and want to pay nothing in, i have never been unemployed so i do,t know what its like, i am lucky,(i am 41) but these people who are unemployed have children just to maintain a high standard of living by getting more money from the state, well its got to stop, because there is no bottomless pit of money and eventually this money has to be found,

we live in the greatest country in the world, our nhs is superb,our benefit system admired, our police do a great job, our prisons are coping with an ever increasing population, our fire brigade second to none,our army fighting in iraq are awesome,so lets get this govt out and someone in who is not wasting money left right and centre on spongers,licking the usa backside, borrowing trillions of pounds to fight a silly war,
i,ve had enough of labour and there underhand taxes giving to those who do not deserve, and letting down the good and more deserving people of this great country.

viky says:

Thursday 20 March, 2008 / 13:03

the benefit system was designed to be a stepping stone, a helping hand for the deserving poor who just needed a bit of help between jobs, it was not designed to be a career, it was never designed to help the idle. i have no problem with people claiming incapacity if they truly are incapacitated(sp)? sorry thats your own fault. the amount of people you see in those little mobility scooters, squished in cos they're so bloody fat! they clearly have more than enough money for food! i'm a single mother of three children, i'm currently studying for a degree. a degree my lone parent advisor told me i couldnt do cos i didnt qualify to get on the course! is there any wonder that people are sat on benefit when the people there to help you get off cant even give proper advice?! my fella has been out the royal marines after serving in bosnia and iraq and is living with his parents cos after tax he cant afford to even rent a room in a grotty little house in a grotty area. they make out they're doing us a favour. they aint gonna be happy until they're dragged society down until there is total breakdown. how does taxing us more help the environment. why not tax the companies that make the plastic bags, the environmentally "bad" cars?! and how can an 80% tax on fuel be justified. people have to get to work, and they cant rely on public transport. how about they take a pay cut? sorry, i started dreaming there. the more you give the more they want. same principle applies here. if we all agree to just roll over and let them rifle through our pockets it'll just carry on. i wont be voting for anyone in the next election i'll be spoiling my vote.

lilly says:

Monday 24 March, 2008 / 02:03

note to Viky above, regarding your fella.....thats what you get for serving your country, nothing but a kick in the balls, its an absolute disgrace! over my dead body would any of my kids go and serve in the forces, poor pay, treatment etc and naff all when you get out - thats is if you get out in one piece.

hmm, now there is a thought, all those on benefits with lazyiatiss and clearly dont want a job, join them up to the forces, or do like what they do in other countries when their young lads do their nat service......have them go moving rocks, fixing roads - thats a never ending job, I just dont see why they should get a penny for doing bugger all for no reason, make them pay their way on one way or another.

as for the lone parent/new deal advisors in the job centers......nothing more than a nanny to soft soap folk into jobs....why cant they just get one! all the information is out there, on leaflets, forms, everything is on the internet, I think its just the government making a job for someone, another waste of money!

its about time the tax payers stood up for themselves in this country as its becoming a social state and we are nothing more than the workers/tax payers to keep the freeloaders........I wish the whole social benefit system would just collapse!!!

Denise says:

Tuesday 01 April, 2008 / 17:04

I hope Gordon Brown reads the comments by the above people. What detested men he and his sidekick Alastair Darling are. Brown hasn't even been elected - an unelected Scotsman Prime Minister Great Britain/ What have this Government done to this once great Country, what have they reduced us to. A benefit claiming, beer swilling mess. I am an OAP, as is my Husband. Neither of us can afford to retire. We have our own home but this has to be maintained, and we are sick to death of paying Council Tax, which has gone up by 5% in our area, increased electricity, oil, food, insurances, taxes. Everything we have to pay out for has gone up in price. Our pensions, both State and private are a joke. We British pensioners have the worst pensions in all of Europe, mainly thanks to Brown robbing the Pension funds - whilst our fatcat sleaze ridden policitians live on the fat of the land, with their gold plated pensions and expenses. They squeeze us for every penny we earn, putting the taxes up for the lower paid in this last budget was an absolute scandal. Bring back the Conservatives as fast as we can - all is forgiven!!

willa says:

Tuesday 01 April, 2008 / 23:04

They keep pushing up the cost of fuel and use the same old excuse the (environment). how about old 2 jags who footed the bill for his running about? WE DID. Now LPG is the alternative and a lot less harmful to the environment,yet the cost of this is Still rising and all they offer is a couple of pound off your car tax. STOP using the environment as an excuse, all you want is our hard earned cash so you can give it away to all the scroungers you are letting into the country.I didnt believe it when i was first told that polish workers can claim benefits for their family that are still in POLAND. What a laughing stock we must be to other countries. our national rise was about 3%. Well 3% of Nothing = Nothing!!!!! YET THEY AWARDED THEMSELVES MEGA BUCKS!!!
My council tax just went up to over £1400 a year,i think we would all be better off on the dole.Or moving to Pakistan, or Poland as they must be Empty now their all over here. Labour are no longer for the workers lets get rid of the sods once and for all we were better off under a conservative goverment.

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