Customer services: get your own back!

by Money Doctor Tuesday 28 August, 2007

Calling customer services...a process that makes thousands of us rage with anger every single day!!

You call a "customer service" line to ask a question or to complain, they place you on hold while they poison your brain with really annoyingly crap music, and then they play pass the parcel with you from section to section...

...and if that isn't bad enough, the company that is supposedly "helping" you pockets your money, often at premium-rate prices!!

It's enough to make you scream...and many of us probably do!

However, growing numbers of you are now getting your own back on the companies which so often tell us that our "calls may be recorded". We the consumers are now taping the conversations in the hope that customer service staff buck their ideas up when told they are under scrutiny.

If they do not, or if promises are not honoured, the caller can send the recordings to the company with a request for action, or even use them in court!

It is legal to record all calls without telling the person you speak to, provided that it is for your own use.

But if you intend to share the call with a third party (i.e. for use as evidence in a small claims court) the failure to explain that you are taping the conversation at the start of the call could lead to a civil prosecution.

EasyCallRecording.co.uk is a new website that enables you to record and download telephone calls for 10p a minute (including the cost of the call) and has helped many of its users score consumer victories against big names including Dell and Excel Airways.

Ben Fry, who set up the site was inspired by the "terrible trouble" that he and his wife had with the call centre staff of two household names. Mr. Fry advises consumers to record all conversations where money is at stake with calls to insurers and banks especially important.

A prime example is when Montague Kobbe recorded a conversation he had with his bank. He used it to prove that he had not requested loan insurance at £14.99 a month after he spotted it as an extra on his bill. His email to the customer services, with the recording attached, was answered with an instant refund. Service since then has been "excellent". (no surprise there!)

Meanwhile, Natalie Bishop used the service to record a series of calls to British Airways in the run-up to her holiday with her boyfriend to Barbados. When BA's check-in staff said that she had not bought upgrades, she said she had and told them that files of the relevant telephone calls could be accessed online in minutes.

It turned out that the operator had agreed to book the seats but had failed to process the payment. The result: free upgrades worth £600!

EasyCallRecording.co.uk's system appeals greatly as it requires no technical knowledge and is fairly straightforward to use.

  • To use the service dial 0871 2385555.
  • You will be given a PIN code and put through to the number you want to dial.
  • To access the recording, dial 0871 2386666 and enter your PIN.
  • You must register online to download free audio files of calls, which are otherwise deleted after a year.
  • Their current pay-as-you-go service allows you to record calls to UK landlines, 0845 and 0800 numbers only.
  • A subscription service set to launch this week will allow members to record incoming calls as well as calls to all British and international telephone numbers, including 0870 numbers, from 12.5p a minute.
However, it is possible to record calls in other ways.

The founder of Callsmayberecorded.co.uk, on which people post their recordings to name and shame complacent companies, says that users of Skype, the internet telephone provider, can download software to do the same job.

A lower-tech solution is an old-fashioned cassette recorder and a telephone-to-recorder adapter and these are available from Maplin, the high street retailer, for about £35.

You could also try bluffing as the merest mention of the process can transform customer service!

Neil Fowler, editor of the consumer magazine Which? says: "Simply telling a company that you are recording the call could be very effective, whether or not you actually record it."

Mr. Fowler and the Information Commissioner's Office both point out that you can also ask companies for transcripts of their telephone calls if these have been recorded!

Customer Service rip off tips!

  • From next January new rules from Ofcom, the telecoms regulator, will bring 0870 rates into line with standard landline rates.
  • In the meantime, ask for a refund whenever you are kept on hold for more than a few minutes or when you are not satisfied with the service you receive.
  • Recording your calls could increase your chances of a payout and should ensure speedier service. Invest in a recorder or visit EasyCallRecording.co.uk or Callsmayberecorded.co.uk.
Read here what we wrote about customer service numbers and just how much they cost you!

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Comments

Robin Anderson says:

Wednesday 29 August, 2007 / 14:08

You might like to tell your readers who don't want to have to pay services for an 0870 call to look first at http://www.saynoto0870.com/

The site lists many well known companies, and gives alternative non-0870 numbers which can be used instead of their 0870 (and other) numbers

For example, e2save customer services is on  0871 2225522, but the website gives 01509 615993. I've tried it, and it does work! AND skips the menu rigmarole. They even give a freephone number 0800 0496032.

Richard Prior says:

Wednesday 29 August, 2007 / 15:08

I had a problem with T-Mobile recently, so I tried to use the 'record' function on my mobile. I told the girl at T-Mobile I was taping the call for my own protection and she told me that was illegal and she was going to have to 'release' the call, ie hang up! ! I agreed to stop the recording, only because it had taken over 20 minutes to get through. I checked afterwards, and there is nothing illegal about it as long as you inform the other person

Val says:

Wednesday 29 August, 2007 / 17:08

Just prior to receiving your email I was complaining to someone about so called 'customer services' !!  In my case I was trying to phone Car Phone Warehouse (I am an existing customer). First the local number they gave me turned out to be a fax number, secondly, on dialling their 0870 number, followed by option 1,2,3 etc., I was left waiting for someone to answer and after a period of time recorded voice states all staff are busy and suggest I call again later and promptly cut me off!  And I was paying for the call during the waiting time!

paul morris says:

Wednesday 29 August, 2007 / 17:08

For any US readers you can get through to any customer services by using the cheats on http://gethuman.com/. anyone know a UK equivalent?

Eileen Fell says:

Wednesday 29 August, 2007 / 21:08

I have had the most horrendous experiences with BT
Talking to overseas operators is useless
I would like to tell some one of my experiences with them and the on going saga with BT
Dont know if any one is interested?
Would love to have what is supposed to be a communications services sorted out!!!

Roger Welch says:

Wednesday 29 August, 2007 / 22:08

I'm having terrible trouble with Curries extended warranty service. We purchased a dishwasher from Curries with an extended warranty,with Coverplan,when the machine failed to work they promptly sent an engineer who fixed the problem,(the same problem four times in about five years)The last time, a faulty replacement part that was fitted flooded our kitchen floor. I can't now get anyone to talk to me about taking responsibilty and paying for the damaged laminate flooring. Curries, through DFS, say its a company called Connect.Connect just hang up on me (after keeping me on line while they make enquiries)Connect did originally tell to claim off the company that fitted the part,Appliance WorldSW.They said claim off my house insurance. I contacted trading standards,they comfirmed my consequential damage claim is against Coverplan, who keep referring to Connect who hang up on me. We are now adised by trading standards to make a claim through the courts against Coverplan. Before we take this advise ,have you any suggestions?  Regards RWelch

Juls says:

Friday 31 August, 2007 / 15:08

I tried last week to get through to Virgin Credit Card Customer Services to ask what my card limit was.  Do you think that I could get through to an operator!!??  Not a hope - I tried about 5 times and kept pressing the right buttons to get me through but still kept getting through to the usual recorded voice asking you to keep pressing the various 1 for.., 2 for... and all it was doing was going round in circles - hence to say I have not used my card and have cancelled it for another one so they are the losers in the end.....

val herbert says:

Saturday 01 September, 2007 / 20:09

I am having terrible trouble with Zurich insurance company.After an incident occured to my car not my fault I phoned them to report the incident,then after a lot of problems they reported that I had not telephoned them immediately and had to pay ?4 for copies of my landline bill as evidence for the Ombudsman to prove the actual time that they where contacted.
Luckily hard copies can be a blessing as it showed that there report was a total fabrication of the truth I had phoned 3 hours prior to the time on their report as I had stated in my statement.
Thankyou for the information on recording conversations as on one occassion I was spoken to in such a dispicable manner this will provide me with maybe more evidence against them.

Julia Booth says:

Friday 14 September, 2007 / 23:09

Tried registering on callsmayberecorded.co.uk and ended up on easycallrecording.co.uk???  No links to skype availability either.....please help and clarify.
Julia

Roger Green says:

Wednesday 26 September, 2007 / 13:09

In answer to Paul Morris, the UK equivalent to gethuman.com can be found at http://www.gethuman.com/uk/

Dilan says:

Tuesday 01 July, 2008 / 17:47

And other UK equivalent is http://www.smart-numbers.net/ that also offers free calls for clients. If company has 0800 numbers, it benefits a lot as customers prefer to call for free. That's how they can attract new clients and keep old ones.

littlecat says:

Friday 22 January, 2010 / 11:44


I have experienced the most annoying moments with T-Mobile, regarding to recording the calls.

I actually started a contract with them for a wireless broadband for 2 years, and next month this time, it is going to teminate. So I called them to terminate my contract.

One of my old friend said to me that when she tried to terminate her contract with her mobile company ( I cannot remember for sure which company is it, ) the company still charged her for another 3 months, so her went to Citizen Advice Bureau to get her 3 months money back.

I do not want to ask for all those trouble like my friend ,so I said to T Mobile that I record the call, but actually I did not , because I do not know how to record it from landline anyway,all I know is that my landline has a little casette sign, which might be a record sign.and my husband used to tell me my landline can record calls.

She goes furious and said I broken the law. and then she put me to another department , another girl said she has terminated my contract.


But this was the most unpleasnt time I have experienced, and I think the T Moblile customer service is so bad, even their tone was bad,I used to run a sales shop I do not even dare to speak to my customer like that , not even in my dream, How can they be employed. I wonder?

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