Egg refuses to crack

by Money Doctor Thursday 28 February, 2008

Egg, (now possibly the UK's least favourite internet bank), has at least three millionaires among the customers it dumped last month, because it considered them a bad credit risk.

They were among 161,000 customers whose credit cards were cancelled last month when Egg purged its books of people it feared might fail to pay their bills.

Now, (and something that won't come as a shock to most of you who have talked to their "customare services") despite a meeting with the Labour MP and former consumer affairs minister Nigel Griffiths, Egg said there would be no change in their policy.

The MP said that among the dozens of letters he had received after speaking about the issue on several occasions at least three were from millionaires!

One correspondent said that his gross income last year was £1.1million and that he had worked for one of Britain's 50 largest companies for 26 years.

"My credit rating is excellent and I even happen to have shares worth £180,000 in a Citigroup account," one wealthy former Egg customer wrote. "I find it outrageous that this bank can make these statements and get away with it."

Egg, (which was set up by Prudential, the UK insurer) was bought by Citigroup, the US banking giant, last May and as a result, Egg reviewed its 2.3 million credit card accounts.

Many of you who were their customers complained about losing your cards, but the bank said you might become a high risk in the future.

An Egg spokesman commented on their position:

"The review was based upon a large number of variables and studied the level of risk inherent in groups of customers, rather than every individual." "So while some customers in that group may be up to date with their payments and have a good record with credit reference agencies and so on, the probability of them becoming a higher-risk customer in the future is higher than we wish to accept."
The spokesman explained that although someone might not be in default on their card, the bank could tell that they might be heading in that direction in the future!

Oh really? And how might that be? Do they have some sort of crystal ball or specially trained dog?

Nope; the Egg spokesman said that indicators of credit risk included:

  • the number of credit cards that you held
  • whether you were using your credit card more frequently than you had in previous years
  • whether you used the card to withdraw cash in sums that took them close to your borrowing limit
He did not specify how many of the 161,000 of you who lost their cards were those that posed a potential risk to the bank.

Egg denied that failing to make a profit from customers who always paid off their borrowings each month had been a factor in its decision to cancel the cards. It pointed out that it still made money on them, because it received a fee for every transaction.

Mr. Griffiths said about his meeting with the Egg heads:

"I expressed my strong concerns about the letters sent to customers, particularly since I felt that more information could have been provided. I have received an assurance that Egg will ensure that the credit record of these card-holders will not be affected, as long as they keep up their agreed repayments."
Egg said they will consider any complaints from those of you who feel its decision to close your accounts was unreasonable.

If you had a card that was cancelled, you will not be able to use them after the notice period. But you will not be forced to repay any outstanding money in one go unless you want to.

You will still have the option to pay the minimum monthly repayment, or pay larger instalments until the balance is cleared.

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Mr. Griffiths said that the indicators used by Egg to model future risk would undoubtedly catch some responsible customers as well as those who posed a credit risk. "The whole industry has to look at this since it could unfairly penalise sensible borrowers," he said.

He has also asked the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) and the Financial Services Authority (FSA) to investigate Egg's actions. The OFT said that although credit risk was a matter for individual businesses, it would look at any complaint received and decide whether to investigate. The FSA said that it could not comment on individual companies or investigations.

Egg's action to get rid of so many credit card customers, is seen as part of a wider trend by banks to move their customers away from risky unsecured lending on credit cards and personal loans and towards lending secured on homes, which is safer for the bank.

Those of you aged between 34 and 49 are most likely to have your credit limits cut or your cards cancelled, while those of you aged 25 or less and who have very little credit history and no property, are more likely to have your limits extended.

Some banks expressed glee, albeit privately, at what they saw as a public relations blunder by Egg's new owner.

One banker said: "If they thought that this would go unremarked upon they clearly didn't understand British banking". Nope they clearly didn't!

This is definitely one case where a bank has been left with Egg on its face and shown to not be all it's cracked up to be!

Are you still seething after Egg's decision to dump you as a customer? What do you make of their decision to not change their mind?

Why not let us know in the comments below?

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John Johnson says:

Friday 29 February, 2008 / 13:02

Egg's behaviour shows that it's run by complete idiots ... which means that anyone who has money with them or their parent company should pull it out immediately. They sound like another Northern Rock in the making ...

Pam Roberts says:

Friday 29 February, 2008 / 13:02

I find the whole thing laughable and will never bank with Egg or indeed citigroup again.

When I received my letter I immediately checked my credit score, which is perfect. I was really nervous about it as I'm just in the process of buying a house and hoped it would not be held against me. I have never missed a payment and held credit card and 2 savings accounts and a loan for 7 years.

I have just spoken to Egg after realising that the interest rate on my credit card has increased from 16.9% early last year to 17.9 % march 2007 and then to a staggering 21.9% in December last year. They said there was no way to renegotiate these interest rates. Can this be construed as a sensible lending practise? Increasing interest rates then telling your customers that they are high risk?


Fortunately I am selling my house and will use part of the proceeds to pay off my debts.

Brooke Allardice says:

Friday 29 February, 2008 / 13:02

I think the way egg has treated there customers is utterly disgusting. They have also cancelled my card. If i wanted to close my bank account whist owing the bank money they would not allow this so why do egg think that they can just cancel these cards. If they want to cancel this by rights they should cancel the debt. After all i never requested the card to cancelled and if i did they would probably not have authorised it because i owe money.

J Hunt says:

Friday 29 February, 2008 / 14:02

I was an egg customer who's card account was not cancelled by the company. I have now cancelled my account and switched my business elsewhere.

Andy says:

Friday 29 February, 2008 / 15:02

I had a letter cancelling my egg card last week. I have a direct debit set up to pay the minimum payment each month so there is no risk of missing a payment. I rarely use my egg card, certainly not for cash withdrawals. My income is currently over 100k pa. I have 2 other credit cards and 3 bank account debit cards.

It is hard for me to see how I fit into any of their bad risk categories.

I haven't carried my egg card in my wallet for years preferring to keep it exclusively for online purchases. Needless to say the egg card is not one I will miss!

I strongly suspect that the real reason my card was cancelled was that I was not actively using it enough and so not making enough profit for them.

Catherine says:

Friday 29 February, 2008 / 17:02

I had my card cancelled too. I have never missed a payment and it is currently in credit! It took two emails for them to acknowledge this and agree to refund the money they owe me. Guess I didn't make them enough money in charges and interest rates.

Gareth says:

Friday 29 February, 2008 / 19:02

Egg cancelled my card. But a week prior to this I applied for a citibank card which was approved. I have now transfered my balance on to that card and got 0% for a year, crazy considering citigroup own both companies. I checked my credit score on experian and it is rated at 963 out of 1000 and excellent. They are crazy, still i'm happy I've reduced my interest payments by £100 per month Smile

Stephen Heginbotham says:

Friday 29 February, 2008 / 19:02

Clearly another example of arogant bankers basing decisions on company dogma rather than sound business sense.
They,and their bullying staff deserve all the bad publicity they are likely to receive. I hope they go the same way as Northern Rock!.

Muzza Dazzler says:

Friday 29 February, 2008 / 20:02

I have had mine removed and again am no risk etc. What upsets me though is that I also have my mortgage and savings with Egg in an offset account. Nose out of joint so I wanted to move this but found that to ease my pain would cost me 1500£. If I did that Egg would be right and I would be heading for disaster.
Anyone know of a no fee credit card with cashback and a no fee offset mortgage please reply.

Rob Randall says:

Friday 29 February, 2008 / 21:02

My egg card has been cancelled despite having an Egg savings account and a credit balance on my card. Is it possible that the fact I haven't used my egg card for over a year was the reason for their decision? I too have checked my credit rating with Experian - btw does Egg hold an interest in Experian? - and found my rating to be 960. I am currently purchasing a house and have had no problems in obtaining a mortgage.

Mark says:

Friday 29 February, 2008 / 22:02

Egg's actions are perfectly understandable if unpallatable. Don't get me wrong, I am no fan. They increased my interest rate from 14.9 to 21.9. When I complained they go round it by offering me a loan (at 12.9) to clear the card.
But back to their reasoning....
On the one hand they are worried about bad debters (and you're right, puttingthe interest rate up doesn't mitigate that risk, nor can it be construed as "responsible lending"). As for all those people that pay the debt regularly and usually clear the card in full, basically you are costing them money. You never pay any interest and they have to provide cards, statements, postage, maintain the account etc etc. So in effect you are getting a constant free short term loan and what you borrow - even for the short interest free period, costs them money.
The saddest part of all of this is that they simply can't be honest about the reason, but then they're a bank, and an American one at that, so what did you expect?

Stephen Merrigan says:

Saturday 01 March, 2008 / 15:03

Egg cancelled my card even though I had settled my balance and was in credit with an over payment of £151.00. I'm no going to challenge the PPI that had been applied to my account because if I was a bad risk why did you allow me to get insured with Them. Its now owned by an American Bank who thinks it can treat its BRITISH CUSTOMERS LIKE ****, AND CHARGE SOME OF THE HIGHEST INTEREST RATES IN THE BUSINESS.As far as I am concerned they can bugger off back to America and take their poor business ethics with them.

Simon says:

Saturday 01 March, 2008 / 19:03

Like many of you, the card has gone and they dont seem to care. Doubt we will be able to change their minds, but my question is, as they now have closed our accounts are they still entitled to charge us interest on any monies owing?? Has anyone been in touch with the banking ombudsman and had any kind of positive reply??

Sabine says:

Sunday 02 March, 2008 / 00:03

my card was also cancelled, after I paid off about 2/3 of the balance.... obviously they realized I wasn't going to be as profitable anymore. I tried to pay of my remaining balance and loan I have with them after that, as I was so annoyed, but due to the fact that my mother's maiden name is rather complicated, I am unable to contact them by phone to get an actual balance (they now have a phone system, where you have to give your mother's maiden name to be able to call them...NOT safe !) - I will be away from egg as fast as possible, and I wish this story would make national news, so they lose loads of customers. They deserve it...

Peter says:

Sunday 02 March, 2008 / 18:03

Got a letter but wasn't unduly concerned as haven't used the card for about a year. However, the cheek of the way they've gone about this and the adverse publicity it has brought to the company shows how ill-managed it is. I've just withdrawn my £6k of savings from them on the basis I now consider them too much of a risk to trust with my cash.

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