HBOS bank in High Court showdown over penalty charges

by Money Doctor Monday 15 October, 2007

Penalty charges? Remember them...?

It's certainly been all quiet on the penalty charges front for a while now, but it seems that someone is determined to not let it lie!

The HBOS bank will be in the High Court in Leeds next week to defend its refusal to obey 11 court orders to repay bank charges owed to some of its customers.

HBOS is having to defend itself due to an application for a winding-up order lodged against it by Robertson Holbrook, a penalty charges claims management company acting on behalf of the 11 customers.

At the last minute, HBOS has obtained an injunction against the order which it says is "ridiculous".

Robertson Holbrook says HBOS (the owner of the Halifax and Bank of Scotland) has regularly failed to obey the county court's decision that it should repay the customers a total of £50,000 of charges due to them.

"They have done nothing about the eleven judgments against them," said company spokesman Tim Russell.

A spokesman for HBOS said that the application for a winding-up order had been an abuse of the court process.

"It is ridiculous, we made £6bn last year," he said. "We have moved to have a stay applied in the light of the OFT case," he explained.

As well as saying that the bank had already paid the claimants £21,000, he said HBOS wanted payment of the rest deferred until the outcome of next year's High Court test case involving the Office of Fair Trading and the banking industry.

This will attempt to settle whether or not hundreds of thousands of you have been illegally charged punitive overdraft fees on their current accounts.

Since then, in courts up and down the country, the banks have been allowed to ask individual judges if they would stay, or halt, any current or new cases, until the outcome of the case; in many areas judges have agreed to this approach.

But HBOS appears to be taking the argument a step further, claiming that a stay should be applied even to cases which it has already lost in a county court.

"We do have the right to have them stayed after the original hearing in the county court, because they were all judgments in default," said the bank's spokesman.

He explained that for various reasons the bank had failed to turn up and argue its case at the original hearings in early August.

Robertson Holbrook accused HBOS of delaying to avoid paying up:

"Up until the statutory demand to pay up or be wound up, three weeks, ago they ignored all our correspondence," said Mr Russell. "We will attempt to have the injunction overturned as they still have not offered to pay up," he added.

Winding up orders are usually pursued, as an alternative to sending in bailiffs, where a company cannot pay its debts because it is insolvent.

(But bailiffs have already gone after banks over penalty charges!)

Naturally there is no doubt that in this case, the HBOS is solvent and very profitable, but it is still open to anyone who is owed money to threaten to wind up a company under the provisions of the 1986 insolvency act.

So, it's that someone is trying to wind up wind up a bank for a change, as they seem to wind us up all the time!

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Sue Austen says:

Tuesday 16 October, 2007 / 15:10

How dare the banks try to say it is ridiculous to issue a winding up order - if they paid back the charges in the first place this action would not have gone this far. The banks seem to think it is one rule for them and one rule for us - Good Luck Robertson Holbrook - change history!!!

Tracie Walter says:

Tuesday 16 October, 2007 / 15:10

I think it is discusting that the banks are allowed to quickly take money from our hard earned cash which we keep in their bank accounts for safe keeping but, when it comes to justice of being unfairly charged and basically ripped off, everything is put onto hold. That is disgusting, we should have the right to take back what the banks wrongly took from us as quickly as they took it from our bank accounts.

I am currently with Conkers concerning my claim but I have not heard a thing for the past 3 months now. I am discussed. The Courts and Laws need to do something about this. Its not our faults that the banks had a serge of people rushing out to claim back their monies wrongly taken. We should be entitled to that and the courts ought to make the banks pay up quickly and resolve all matters appropriatly.

These high earned bosses within these huge companies are the worst offenders when it comes to ripping customers off and now they dont like their customers asking to be rebated for unworthy charges, well tuff.

joanne says:

Tuesday 16 October, 2007 / 16:10

i have been waiting for about 6months to hear about my bank charges claim, they want to get it sorted once and for all, what about the people who have already recieved their charges back, it`s not fair if some people recieve a refund and others don`t, what`s good for one is good for us all, the banks shouldn`t be taking our well earned money anyway, it`s a rip off

Mrs Dodd says:

Tuesday 16 October, 2007 / 16:10

My bank charged me £75.00 in overdraft fgees last month and also 2 months ago!
They say they charge £25.00 each time you go over your overdraft limit - so when I paid money in to cover the overdraft limit and then the car broke down so went £1.79p over they charged me another £25.00 for that in the same week!
They also charged me a £25.00 admin for agreeing to in informal request to extend my overdraft - but they did not and I did not request it - and htey did the same again this month - Thats £150.00 in fee's for being £17.82p over my agreed overdraft linit. I want to add that I have been with the bank for over 14 years now - I feel really cheated - especially by the bodies which are supposed to be stopping banks from ripping us off- they have not done it before so I guess they are going after me becasue they have had to pay out money to other people but they say I have no right to claim - I cannot believe the banks get away with it - it is like me going into a shop and buying a service and them charging me over 10 times the cost of the service when I am 1 day late in paying - they would not get away with it so why do banks still get away with it when it is all supposed to be clamped down?
unfortunately I am like so many people these days, where I cannot afford to move to another bank as my overdraft is so big I cannot pay it off to move so I am stuck, getting more and more into debt due to their charges ( which btw take me over my overdraft this month!)

carl jennings says:

Tuesday 16 October, 2007 / 18:10

hi my partner recently had a similar problem ,when i came home she was in tears and said she owed the bank £90 pounds in penaltys so i had a look and turns out they allowed her account to go overdrawn by 97pence then charged her £30 pounds for that plus £30 pounds for a letter to tell her plus £30 for going overdrawn because she didnt have an overdraft facility.
guess what i went down to the main branch and i went beserk at the manager told him what they were doing was in fact illegal and that basically they could shove thier accounts at which point they agreed to refund the money as this was the first time it had occured in 25 years gee thanks we havent had any issues since but i think if we hadnt shouted and threatened we would have ended up paying the £90

anonymous says:

Tuesday 16 October, 2007 / 18:10

i think people should learn to run their finances in order. i myself work in a bank. i make a habit of quickly checking my balance before i take any money out of the cash machine. IMO people are silly for incurring any charges on thier bank account!! it should only take ONE charge for people to learn their lesson.

christopher cowles says:

Tuesday 16 October, 2007 / 22:10

I have just been charged £150 in charges as my bank account went overdrawn,but if the bank had not taken,that when they did i wouldn't of been overdrawn.they usually take intrest charges at end of month,but for some reason they didn,t take it until 12th of this month whichwas the day a d/d was being paid.they took their charges then refused to pay d/d and charged me for returning that d/d.
talk about banks trying to help!! they just help themselves , whenever it suits them.

SIOBHAN says:

Wednesday 17 October, 2007 / 08:10

my bank Lloyds have now changed their policy so basically in the end thay can charge customer double than before it is so wrong then when they take the charges out of your account they then make you go over the agreed over draft limit so it a circle and they are winning I hope they all lose in court and that all consumers win and get their monies back before Christmas.

Pat Brown says:

Wednesday 17 October, 2007 / 10:10

I feel its not just the banks that are robbing us it seems when your down and out or just ordinarily working to earn a living someone out there trys to put you back down on so many occasions we was 50p over the limit and got charged £30.00 by our bank. No wonder we have so many fat cats around they should be destroyed at birth.

C David says:

Wednesday 17 October, 2007 / 12:10

Why get het up? Just take all your money out ovedrawing by the amount the bank owe you in charges. Yes withdraw ALL your money, inc the cahrges and close the account. Make sure of course you have another account opened (with someone else)first assuming you need one. BE WARNED you must also be sure you can take the fight that may ensue. Then send the bank an invoice for administration, say £70. Make sure a note with the invoice threatenes court action if they register a default againt you with Experian or others. Its good practrise to check your credit record once a year in any case. Sometimes a CCJ for instance can be registered to your address whith out you knowing. Very possible in some one elses name.

London33 says:

Friday 19 October, 2007 / 11:10

For the genuine people who rarely go overdrawn and then by a few pennies it is an issue that needs to be looked at. For the majority who opened a bank account and accepted the terms and conditions and then regulary go overdrawn etc, they are just cashing in because they are unable to manage their accounts. This will ultimately move the banks to charge once again for their services and then everyone will suffer.

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